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- From: Mark.Baker@mettav.exnet.com (Mark Baker)
- Date: 29 Jul 94 18:42:58
- Message-Id: <UUCP.775621734@mettav>
- Subject: Re: app_defs
- To: gem-list@world.std.com (gem-list@world.std.com)
- Precedence: bulk
-
- Chris:
- > I'm uncertain about the idea of application-types... How many dtp
- > packages or word processors is a user likely to have? Would it really
- > be *useful* to be able to define a different key for 'Quit' just for
- > image processing apps?
-
- But you might well want different default fonts, and different keys for select
- all perhaps.
-
- >> Preclude discussion and you end up with
- >> the type of standards comittees you often get in industry: where
- >> everyone is just trying to make THEIR PRODUCT the standard, regardless
- >> of its merits.
- >
- > Hmmm. This sounds mighty similar to the gem toolkit discussion/flame
- > fest.
-
- But it is better to discuss it than to simply vote where people are voting in a
- way that makes their library conform and not others - I do it this way, why
- can't everyone else - by discussing it we will hopefully end up with a standard
- that has the best features of all libraries and will not require other
- libraries to change completely to copy one. Mind you amicable discussion would
- be nicer.
-
- Kevin:
- >> Dialogs in Windows (on/off)
- > I assume by this you mean wether the dialogs are modeless or not (since
- > you can't do modeless dialogs that aren't in windows without a lot of
- > hacking)? If that's the case then I don't think this is something you can
- > really switch on or off. Nor can I see any reason why a user would want
- > it off.
- >
-
- I can see a reason. If you have LTMF installed it blits to restore the screen
- when dialogues are closed (on form_dial(FMD_FINISH...)) which is much faster
- than redrawing everything - even if all the other applications blit to redraw
- -as you would with non-modal ones. That said I still prefer non-modal ones but
- the speed is noticable and I might well prefer modal dialogues on a standard
- ST.
-
- Tim:
- >> Ok, then use XAES. We allow you to drag/resize/scroll/close/etc windows
- >> in the background under normal TOS, even TOS 1.0.
- >
- > How do you do this? HOW? You can't get anything other than WM_TOPPED
- > messages to background windows under normal TOS.
- >
- > Oh, but you're replacing parts of AES, aren't you. Vector-stealing.
- > Icky. Isn't the exception stack frame different on the 68030 compared to
- > the 68000?
-
- Actually they don't have to do that, because they're drawing the window borders
- themselves in a (to the aes) featureless window (and therefore they don't look
- anything like standard windows -and he's saying _we_ don't want standards? :)
- so any click on any gadget will get a WF_TOPPED event.
-
- As for exception frames, you're right but you don't necessarily have to worry
- about this for vector-stealing, it depends on what exactly you intend to do
- with the vector.
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